When will we…

thoughts from   ~burning woman~  

Tonight, inspired by Rosaliene Bacchus’ post, “I Come from a Shit-Hole”

https://rosalienebacchus.blog/2018/01/

I have one question, if rhetorical:

“When will we get tired of killing and dying for the rich?”

Now?  Soon?  Never?

26 thoughts on “When will we…

  1. the_aestheticspirit

    I guess between soon or never. This generation and the coming generations would be so much into killing and dying for rich to literally survive. The end is after things turn extreme and a clearance takes place. But maybe there will also be a time when a handful number of people would not die for rich that will be because in need of peace. Together now, this world is although imbalanced because of this but there is a lot that is realising.

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  2. rawgod

    Your question, S’T, even if rhetorical, needs to be reworded in my mind. Not, “When will we get tired…” but rather:
    When will we STOP dying and causing death on behalf of the gold hoarders (in my language) money-makers (or some such group noun in yours)?
    I knew as a child I could never go to war, it did not feel right in my gut (though I could not have explained why in those days). I try to always listen to my gut, it is right a million times more often than it is wrong.
    I might not express my reasoning as you would, you think more macro than I in many ways (though I think your ideas can be made to refer to the micro, and I know my words contain more of the macro than even I give them credit for) while I base almost everything on what I think, feel, believe, experience, envision, etc. I don’t like to put unknown thoughts into other people’s minds (which is a choice I made many moons and suns ago), but when I speak from within myself I know that at the very least everything I say is possible, because I have already considered it and know that it works for me. The macro by its very nature has to come from the micro, but the micro in turns comes from considering how to make the macro a more positive place, physical, mental and/or spiritual, to be. Thus:
    I would rather die before being forced to kill someone else in my place, no matter what that reason is. I have control of my life, and I know that taking a life FOR ANY REASON is anti-positive. Each and every life-based being has a right to live its life till the natural end. If I have to end a life in order for my life to survive, then I must choose to maintain the life of the other over my own. I know my spirit is going to survive death, and if necessary incarnate in this dimension again. While I can assume that the Other has a spirit that will survive its death, I cannot know that for a fact, even if I believe it to be true, which I do believe. I have a rule of life that I assume by, if I can do something (at this point in my journey), anyone will be able to do that same thing (sometime along their journey). It is just a matter of being ready to do that something when the time arrives for it to be done. And, if I am ready to do that thing right now, and the Other is not, then I must allow the Other to live in order to come to that point sooner, while I know I can come back to that point later. It is all a matter of perspective.
    Therefore, but into a position where I could willingly choose to put myself into a position where I would have to cause the death of others. or choose to let myself be forced to cause the death of others, or just choose to die myself, I would of my own responsibility, have to choose my own death.
    I know this is a strange way of looking at things, especially since the prime purpose of life (if such a thing could be said to exist, which it does not!) is to go on living, however… (Just to finish the thought on purpose, the secondary purpose of life would be to preserve the life of the species (procreate), and the third purpose of life would be to preserve life itself (because without life the universe has no purpose at all, so why would we even be alive?) …of all the lives available, mine is the most replaceable.
    I know I have spoken about this somewhere in a blog, but I thought it worth repeating here. My life is incredibly valuable to me, but as life goes, my life is the least valuable life in the universe. I know I would not be ending my life by choosing to die to save others, so by choosing to die all I would be doing is sending myself on a vacation. For someone who does not believe as I do, I have no idea where they might be being sent…

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Again, another amazing comment to which I can only say, thank you, and nothing to add, or subtract. Our resolve regarding taking or saving/giving life is identical. Thank you for that well expressed thought.

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      1. rawgod

        I’d thank you humbly, S’T, but aint nothing humble in this bag-o’-bones. Humility may be a virtue, or whatever, but I’m not religious. Aint no such thing as a sin, and I take pride in certain abilities I have with words, I worked long and hard to earn it.

      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        Each of us must walk our chosen path, isn’t that so? The good thing I see here is, you are comfortable in yours and mine fits me better than a custom tailored glove.

  3. Rosaliene Bacchus

    Sha’Tara, thanks for sharing the link to my blog post. With regards to your question: Until we succeed in ending the globalized capitalist economic system that empowers transnational corporations to plunder our planet and enslave peoples for profits, we will continue to kill and die for the rich.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Ah, so well expressed. I think your vision is very similar to mine, but you being so much younger (I am assuming by your Gravatar image) gives it more validity. You would be the future in which, to quote from your comment, “there is a lot that is realising.” That gives hope to the world.

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    2. Sha'Tara Post author

      Thank you for commenting, Rosaliene. Yes, the capitalist system must be ended, destroyed, eliminated. The problem here is that capitalism is a global cancer that feeds on greed. That is the problem that needs to be addressed because greed is endemic and generally believed essential to survival, an oxymoron considering how much of life here it consumes and destroys. What do we have available to counter greed? If we found that, how would we go about “inoculating” the global population with it?
      Personally of course I am convinced that there is an antidote to greed. I call it compassion. I have written many passionate arguments presenting the case for compassion, so no need to repeat that here. The main problem is people are not receptive to compassion because they think of it as weak(I think you wrote this already on your blog). Compassion demands self-sacrifice in service of others which is diametrically opposed to greed which demands the sacrifice of others for one’s benefit, and few get “turned on” with the idea of sacrificing their wherewithal, well-being or life, for others. It is a human trait but not Earthian. Not yet anyway.

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  4. kertsen

    Unfortunately the pyramid of wealth has been with us for thousands of years , it has out lived empires and ideologies and never been shaken.
    The reason is it is maintained by human nature which has a very strong element of ambition , and no matter how high it climbs the pyramid the higher it wishes to go. It has been tackled by revolution and religion but they have been broken to serve the golden calf as a look at the corruption in governments shows quite clearly. I’m very fortunate to have been born near the top of this pyramid in England one of the rich western democracies. Some may be surprised to learn that in spite of being below the poverty line in the UK I’m in the global top 2% in terms of income. Mr Trump hates poverty , he can’t bear hovels or deprivation yet he seeks to impoverish the needy in his own country and to throw out those struggling to make ends meet. El Salvadore is a poor nation but there are many poorer , in India there are twenty million with out toilets.
    The rich nations give around 0.7% of their income to the poor and still we have many raucous voices saying it is too much.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      As I’m exploring again while writing another fantasy novel, greed is endemic within the Earthian creature. An old biblical admonition also comes to mind: the love of money is the root of all evil.

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      1. kertsen

        With money comes freedom , and the lack of it means bondage. Work itself is a form of bondage for most and they cannot wait for the week to end or their annual holidays to come around. I hope in your novel you will try to indicate how we can escape from greed and just what self-sufficiency is and how necessity turns to greed. The problem with the biblical quote is it seems to imply being rich is ok and it seems to contradict the camel and the eye of needle quote.

      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        The bible is always a two-edged sword and rife with contradictions. Ecclesiastes 10:19 “A feast is made for laughter, and wine makes life merry, but money is the answer for everything.” Of course that was probably written tongue in cheek, but it could be taken literally, and then what? One major biblical problem was linking the New Testament to the Old. All references to the Old should have been removed from the New. Then it would make some sense. As it is the contradictions have only increased. “It is more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.” Yet Christianity is led by a cabal of super rich individuals. One of the great psychological problems I’ve encountered in discussions about “evil” with people is this response, “Well, that’s not as evil as…” or “he’s not that rich, he’s not as rich as…” The lesser of evils is twisted into a virtue.
        When it comes to money the problem is one of greed and greed is endemic to Earthians. All are greedy and money makes the perfect tool to ensure that particular trait is well honed. To remain on top all the elites need do is control the provenance of that tool while keeping the sheeple believing they can’t exist or survive without it. Any thinking person would laugh at that. Mankind has existed and survived quite well long before money was invented. The fault, dear Brutus lies not in our past, but in our civilization held together with money, that we remain underlings, enslaved and forever poor. Some philosophers talk about ending money to solve the greed problem. What they don’t realize is that money is the real framework of their civilization. End money, end civilization. Now I’m all for that, but it would (will) entail a very difficult transition for billions of people.

  5. Sha'Tara Post author

    Thank you for commenting here, Colette. There is no doubt the world is changing. That you find hope in that change can only be a good thing.

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  6. Woebegone but Hopeful

    Will there come a time when the words ‘and dying for’ are deleted from that statement?

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      “When will we get tired of killing and dying for the rich?”
      Interesting point, Roger. That leaves: When will we get tired of killing the rich? I’m being facetious, I’m sure that’s not what you meant, more likely, “When will we get tired of killing?” and that’s a far better question than the original, quoted above.

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      1. Woebegone but Hopeful

        That’s me in one of my grim ‘prophetic’ moods. A warning to those who take their wealth and nebulous positions for granted.
        The result will not of course be a paradise because in bloody transitions there will always be others to take their places (Animal Farm)….

      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        So, you meant it exactly that way? Wow! Reminds me of “Lo” my character, when he says, basically, kill them, they’re murderers and they’re only going to kill more innocents. But as made abundantly clear by the French and Russian revolutions, and in “Animal Farm” by Orwell, killing the elites, even kings and queens and such, doesn’t work. In the hard sci-fi, The Real Story by Neal Donaldson, my heroine who literally has to break her own arm so the pain will stop her from falling into the debilitating “gap sickness” says, “I need a better solution.”

      3. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Yep. That’s the scenario I am warning about.
        It’s not just ‘The Rich’ either who go down, it’s all those who ‘served ‘them. And then someone decides to re-define ‘rich’.
        And you know the rest…..

      4. Sha'Tara Post author

        Yes, sadly we all know the rest. That is why, as long as I blog, or interact publicly, I will be shamelessly pushing forth the concept of compassion as our next purely logical evolutionary step up that shaky ladder. I will never apologize nor doubt myself when I make the claim: become compassion and you will see “the” solution come forth. Compassion will bring back our lost sense of empathy, and as we should all know, once we’re empaths we will be forever “barred” from deliberately or consciously causing harm to another, whether human, animal, fish, bird, animate or inanimate life. The greatest gift we could (can) give ourselves and it is within our reach. A question of will power, a dash of daring, a lightning strike of heroism. Shazzam! (for me, perhaps Sha’Zama? 🙂 )

      5. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Firstly…Sha’Zama! Lovely concept!😃…That begs it’s own comic book, ‘Image Comics’ would be the best, they don’t play safe.
        I certainly agree you should never give up Sha’ Tara, words and ideas can be passed on, and who knows if our physical lives are just an episode?
        One of the flaws in my system goes like this…
        ‘I hate Intolerance! I can stand Intolerant people! If I had my way they would be arrested and slung into prison, their goods and chattels seized by the state and the adults in their families placed under surveillance and their children placed in state facilities for re-education! That would teach them to be intolerant!!’…… You can see the flaws can’t you…..I’m working on it, but not very well at the moment, I am so intolerant of Intolerance (seriously)

      6. Sha'Tara Post author

        Sadly, as I learned long ago, intolerance of intolerance is intolerance. Intolerance is the final act of a self-destructive system, be it of one human being, an empire, a civilization. Intolerance is a form of self righteousness; the desperate need to prove that one is right when such proof can only be demonstrated by acts based on justice, truth and equality. The USA at this time is run/ruled by an insanely intolerant madman and a group of sycophants desperate to prove their “rightness” in order to hide their crimes against humanity, and their personal corruption. If, as we know from too recent history, they can spread enough of their intolerance among the rank and file, they may well succeed in imposing their totalitarian intolerant system upon the nation. Millions will suffer from deportation and ethnic cleansing (the ultimate meaning of “draining the swamp” if no one realizes it yet). Millions more of their ignorant supporters will also suffer from dispossession, disenfranchisement, and enslavement, either from unpaid labour or on chain gangs. Then when all is exhausted this intolerant system will implode, leaving nothing but death, destruction and disease in the fallout. Then all of civilization as it stands today will follow the same pattern because it is based on money and money is the hammer all unjust, i.e., intolerant systems, use to beat, batter and crush the penniless poor.

      7. Woebegone but Hopeful

        That’s one of the problems with ‘my’ system, just as well I never went into politics.
        Your scenario is plausible Sha’Tara. It’s had quite a few dress rehearsals in history, on one scale or another.
        If folk read a bit more balanced (if dry) historical accounts they might get the message, but it needs reading more than one book or a number of books with the same bias.

      8. Sha'Tara Post author

        Reading is good but we need more. We need to develop a way to enter into our “histories” to experience their reality. When we allow ourselves to evolve both mentally and spiritually and develop our empathetic nature, we will be able to “travel” through time and actually experience the events we can only read about now, or encounter in documentaries. For the lessons to be effective we need to literally “go there” and engage our physical senses: smell the carnage; hear the cries, the thundering guns and bombs; have an arrow or a bullet rip through our shoulder, feel the fear, throw up, go insane, etc. Like investigative reporters, we need to be there and see it for ourselves. I can read “A true history of these Isles” and get a temporary jolt, of angst or humour, or I can be one of those pikemen walking into a rain of arrows, or under a boiling oil dump. I can read about rape and pillage, or I can be a helpless girl captured by a detachment of soldiers eager to indulge their fun. I can do this, therefore it should be possible for anyone to do the same, if we are indeed of the same biological stuff. Are we?

      9. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Quite Sha’ Tara.
        Within aspects of Physics talk of ‘Time Travel’ is quite acceptable and since we comparatively little about our own brains and minds; put the two together and windows of possibility are open.

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