Is there a Collective Unconscious and a Collective Dream?


[thoughts from ~burning woman~ by Sha’Tara

(Introduction) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Collective unconscious (German: kollektives Unbewusstes), a term coined by Carl Jung, refers to structures of the unconscious mind which are shared among beings of the same species. According to Jung, the human collective unconscious is populated by instincts and by archetypes: universal symbols such as The Great Mother, the Wise Old Man, the Shadow, the Tower, Water, the Tree of Life, and many more.

Jung considered the collective unconscious to underpin and surround the unconscious mind, distinguishing it from the personal unconscious of Freudian psychoanalysis. He argued that the collective unconscious had profound influence on the lives of individuals, who lived out its symbols and clothed them in meaning through their experiences. The psychotherapeutic practice of analytical psychology revolves around examining the patient’s relationship to the collective unconscious.

Psychiatrist and Jungian analyst Lionel Corbett argues that the contemporary terms “autonomous psyche” or “objective psyche” are more commonly used today in the practice of depth psychology rather than the traditional term of the “collective unconscious.”[1]

Critics of the collective unconscious concept have called it unscientific and fatalistic, or otherwise very difficult to test scientifically (due to the mythical aspect of the collective unconscious).[2] Proponents suggest that it is borne out by findings of psychology, neuroscience, and anthropology. [end of Wikipedia introduction]


In a recent post I wrote about an interesting dream I had involving certain “symbolic characters” currently much in the collective mind: Donald Trump as president of the USA, his press secretary, KellyAnn Conway, and the White House represented by a “Black House” in the dream.

Since, I have met one other person who had a similar dream on or about the same time I did, involving Donald Trump asking for help. 

In the comments section of my article, Katharine Otto  ( https://katharineotto.wordpress.com/ ) wrote: “Sha’Tara,  Your dream has been working on me since I wrote the above, and I do indeed believe you are functioning as a catalyst. I believe Trump is also a catalyst, in that he is rattling so many cages, but he can’t control outcomes. The outcome (or outcomes) depends on how we as Earthians deal with the changes. We do have the opportunity to uplevel individual and group experiences, maybe with a little help from our more evolved, extra-terrestrial friends, whoever or whatever they may be.

Maybe in a group-dreaming mode, we can dream up some visions of the kind of society we would like to inhabit.

Is there a collective unconscious (or objective psyche) and could this involve a kind of collective dreaming involving those free-er minds no longer bound by belief systems as promoted by organized religion or atheistic scientific materialism?  That somewhere between these antagonistic extremes exists a subtle reality preventing extremism from totally destroying a living sphere; a reality that dreamers can access and input into, thus adding to its power to dampen or control volatile conditions brought on by excessive greed and predatory lust leading to insatiable appetites for the predators; fear and uncertainty for their victims?

The “Teachers” warned me time and again not to embroil myself into the physical struggle for balance in the worlds of religion, politics and money.  They cautioned me not to “take sides” by exercising my voting “rights” as all such moves reveal a sense of powerlessness on my part and a gloating on the part of the enemy. 

Recently I compared the political processes world-wide as a game of snakes and ladders.  “They” cast the dice, we walk the line only to rise, then fall in turn.  “They” are the gamers, we the pawns.  Thus it always was, thus it always will be, until perhaps, as Katherine points out, more and more of us are drawn into the dream, expanding that gentle realm until the extremes dry out from lack of food. What is the extremist’s food? Violence.

The lesson of non-involvement through detachment is harsh and apparently pointless.  The dreamers are the conchies or conscientious objectors, not just to war, but towards all forms of violence.  All violence is always, without exception, an extreme counter life force.  All types of competitive behaviour is based in violence, like it or not.  Is voting then a from of violence? Yes it is because it’s a competition, a vicious game.  It is a religion, the  support of one’s particular “household gods” in the hope that they will bring peace, or if not, then the defeat of the enemy, whatever and whomever that enemy is – in politics, religion or finance there is always an enemy and all of it results in competitive behaviour and that always results in victimization, suppression, oppression, marginalization and often the genocide of innocent victims.

Who is the enemy of religion, politics and finance? The answer is obvious: me, if I dare become an individual who refuses to offer innocent sacrifices on the altars of oppressive and oppressing “divinities”.  Me, the self empowered who dares enter into the collective unconscious dream and therein draw off power from death-dealing structures to engender new life.  From this place I am neither heroine nor victim: I just am. 

34 thoughts on “Is there a Collective Unconscious and a Collective Dream?

  1. hughcurtler

    Jung’s notion of the collective unconscious is not to be confused with shared dreams. The collective unconscious is deep within each of us and harkens back to our primeval beginnings when we first emerged from primal ooze. It is replete with archetypes, symbolic suggestions of shared origins. We find suggestions of the collective unconscious in such things as fairy tales, for example, and so-called “primitive” myths. It’s about our common beginnings and an inherited treasury of collective experiences.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Oh, and now to respond to the Professor. You’re way, way ahead of me on this aspect of the discussion, so I’ll defer to your interpretation. It does make me wonder though, can we not simply bring the two together? Can I not use my part in the collective unconscious to create new dreams? I don’t even know if my question actually makes any sense, LOL!!! Care to comment further, or have more light to throw on this (if you have time, that is)?

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  2. jim-

    I see you found your groove again. Excellent post and thoughts! I have quit taking sides and voting too. It wasn’t sitting well with me and your explanation put into words what I failed to do. I have quit watching news too. Its depressing foray continues to put us against each other the same way religious competition does. Choosing sides when both sides are wrong and dismissing the possibilities of a third way. As far as a collective conscience, not sure if it’s the same thing, but on a noticeable scale, peer pressure, subliminal messages, advertising, pop culture—obviously ideas can expand out and influence those that didn’t even see the messages. I’d like to see that same pattern work for our good, and maybe our non-protests will gain some traction. Not likely though in my lifetime.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      You’re right, not because you agree with me, but because you are! We need to become increasingly aware of the many ways the “system” pits us against one another and we need to develop a counter to all of it. That means serious, constant mental training. It’s mental martial arts time all the time. There’s a new post on “Raging from the Lectern” by Roger that got a lot of comments and fits this conversation. Perhaps you’re already there, but if not, here’s the link:
      https://ragingfromthelectern.wordpress.com/2018/09/18/on-being-found-wanting/ Whether people feel the concept of the collective dream or not, your down-to-earth way of putting it seems obvious to me: we’re all in it, so can we make it work for us for a change, rather than against us? Can we become the ones others instinctively know they can trust because they sense we would never wilfully or willingly cause them harm?

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      1. jim-

        I read Rogers post and followed him. Quite the reasonable approach. I too, deleted FB about 6
        Months ago. Been a nice change back to normality.

    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Again, I totally agree. This dream is a follow up to an old one (I realize that now) in which I chose to follow the path of being an avatar of compassion. I have been doing that – taking the dream as my vehicle of choice and driving it. I had to learn a lot of tricks: trusting my own thoughts and choices; taking responsibility for my thoughts, words and acts; learning to live in increasing detachment from emotion-based relationships; self-empowerment and calling a spade a spade, whether I’m holding it or someone else is. It’s a living dream now, each day providing the proof that living compassionately does work.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      I totally agree with you, and I do know what you mean by “wake up” but as history clearly demonstrates, it’s never been, isn’t, and likely will never be “that easy” – UNLESS something happens to break the programming, some sort of catalyst that will “force” the species to wake up. There’s been many attempts and events aimed at making that happen, but so far, we’re still in the same endless loopy shit. We’ve had the ego-filled types like Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, Caesar, Constantine, Genghis Khan. We’ve had the empires and their associated powers trying to force different customs and ways on people right up to today – no change. I mean, even I have a “world changing” idea that I know would work – I call it the awakening to compassion – but it will not happen because the programming will find endless ways to circumvent it. Therefore and therefore, doom and gloom, devastation and darkness, famine and genocide; disease and death: that is where we are heading. We won’t all terminate, there will be enough survivors to start again, but the in-between times; from now until the resurgence, which I see as lasting 5-600 years are pregnant with so much horror we can’t begin to imagine it and Earthians can imagine and create a lot of horror.
      And, before someone jumps on me and says I’ve read John’s “Revelation” one too many times, that is not what I base my “claims” upon – yes I’ve read it many times trying to make some sense of it but it remains essentially a closed book to me, as it does to those who claim to understand its symbolism… 🙂 I think that our own archeological and written history provides enough clues to where we are heading should we choose to continue sailing in the current direction, which, if the earth was flat, means we’d be about a hundred miles from that sudden drop…

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      1. Sha'Tara Post author

        Yes, please do borrow it… and fling it out there as far as you can throw… who knows who it will fall on!

      1. Sha'Tara Post author

        My pleasure and privilege, George, you’re sharing some important information within the entertaining aspects of your work. It should be widely read, no one would come out of it without at least wondering about new possibilities for all of us.

  3. Woebegone but Hopeful

    Who truly knows where parts of our minds and spirits go from time to time? We, these complex mixes of cells and fluids with our intangible beings.
    Safe journeys Sha’ Tara if you are going out somewhere because you feel you must go,
    or if you feel some element is calling you.
    We don’t know the fraction of our Universe. All options are possible.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Welcome aboard the Universal Taxi. All options are now open… I like that. I like knowing I have real choices I can make, and I am fully responsible and accountable for all consequences.

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      1. Woebegone but Hopeful

        As far as I can ‘see’, that’s the way it goes. There are a few of those pesky physical laws like Gravity which we have to go along with, but as for the rest, ours to choose and take, as you say, the consequences.
        (I would probably get into a whole lot of trouble with some of fellow Christians if they read this, but Religion, Cosmology and Quantum are a really heady and liberating mix)

      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        Hi Roger, I know you are a Christian but I’m wondering why “religion” is included in your heady and liberating mix. In what way is religion “liberating”? Perhaps you can cite some personal example of this. In my twice attempts at doing religion, abiding by its tenets, rules, commands and onerous expectations I have found it to be extremely confining, never liberating. Interested about your use of the Muslim term “jihad” I did a bit of research on it and discovered that what is believed and what is in fact, are two totally different things. I found the same dichotomy in my religious efforts, namely the impossibility of reconciling the opposite ends. Insist, i.e., refuse to become a hypocrite bandying one thing and doing the opposite and you end up becoming the Oroboros, endlessly devouring your own tail.

      3. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Yeh we in the West just latched onto what the Muslim version of the ‘evangelicals’ were saying, and away we went!
        I would no doubt, once more get howled down by the more ‘passionate’ theists, atheists and everyone in between for this, but here we go….
        OK, so as far as I am concerned, personally, I happen to believe that a Supreme Being created the Universe and all that is there within. The relationship between Creator and Created is a complex one and needs a great deal of thought, and sifting over the personal beliefs. When trying to explain this, it is not uncommon for someone to find there is something lacking in the explanation, which is to be expected as it is my explanation of my view, not theirs.
        Now, my own personal way of perceiving my relationship to the Supreme Being is through The Catholic Faith. At its basic, this involves attending Mass which is my communication with The Holy Trinity. Outside of that there is much I disagree with, and I do not defend the Church on many things.
        OK, so that’s how I roll. Now, it is not for me to say anyone else’s journey to The Supreme being is wrong. In this I am comfortable with any other person’s path to ‘God’…..As long as they adhere to Compassion, Respect and Tolerance to other folk. ‘God’ I believe knew we wouldn’t all get the same message since we have Free Will (my belief), hence the different belief systems, which mostly have the same messages of Compassion, Respect and Tolerance.
        So it’s Us, imperfect humans who screw things up and it’s no use blaming anyone other than ourselves. We are an imperfect lot.
        So there I am. Take it or Leave it.
        People can rage at me as much as they like. It’s not them I am answerable to.
        Here I stand, as it were.

      4. Sha'Tara Post author

        Right, good, OK, that’ll have to do. Thanks for trying. I’ll be re-reading again, looking for that pearl of Rogerian wisdom hidden in the lot. You may hear from me on that topic again! (That’s not a threat, just a warning!)

        By the way, I am re-reading “The Patchwork Warriors” and finding it much more interesting and relevant this time around. I would recommend to anyone who’s already read it to go over it again, and if anyone’s not read it, to do so. Yes, you can copy and paste this into your blog or book review if you wish, and I’ll have more to say about Patchwork when I finish this re-read, I’m sure.

      5. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Oh please do Sha’Tara. It’s nice to be able to discuss beliefs or non-beliefs in a non-hysterical unjudgmental way, And with yourself I can use all manner of concepts and approaches without someone punching their ‘He’s a looney’ button. (Incidentally I am probably guilty of ‘Relativism, as far as Official Catholic Teaching is concerned- it doesn’t keep me awake at night)
        Thank you so much for the comments on ‘Patchwork’. They came just in time. I’d found ‘Skirmishers’ just wasn’t working as a novel and was having to go back to the start- which was a bit of a downer. You’ve re-lit the fires. BIG THANKS.
        I will be using the quote in my next writing blog post, on the woes on novel writing- it is hoped to offer some struggling writers a ‘Ah not just me then’ interlude.

      6. Sha'Tara Post author

        Hey Roger… I’m having so much fun re-reading Patchwork! I’m at page 204 (in FBReader format) and just read over this part, laughing out loud… (and quote:)

        Beritt was spitting angry; up to her back teeth and more some! She’d had
        this all sorted, and then Squirrel-Head had charged in and could have nearly got
        them all killed. This girl Trelli could have gone off ‘bang’ for all Beritt knew!
        Going through a whole litany of swear words, she grabbed a stunned Karlyn by
        the collar of her shirt, and hauled the elidian girl into a sitting position, teeth bared
        and face to face.

        ‘Happy-sliding on a stick!! I’ve seen more common sense in a line of arse-
        holes during worms inspection! You nearly crocked us all into a midden!! I told
        you we had to take it easy!! What the scraith is the matter with you!’ she shook
        153

        Karlyn, who bemused by the whole display shut up ‘Now go and do something
        fribbin’ useful and stand by a door and…. ohhh…. scraithin’ well kill raiders!!’!

        Karlyn stood up, brushing flour off of her clothes with pantomime
        fastidiousness.

        ‘Hmmph! I will just do that. But don’t blame me, if Little Missy Sparkle
        Fingers fries your delicates,’

        And determined to have the last of the exchange, snatched out and pulled
        the brim of Beritt’s hat over her eyes, then making much of a casual stride exited,
        calling out. She was going to have the last word on Sergeant Pretty-When-Angry.

        ‘Watchin’ you Whychie! Don’t you try and kerfluffeg Flaxi there! (end quote)

        This is another of those fantasies where I say to myself, “I’d just love to see this as a movie.”

      7. Woebegone but Hopeful

        Thanks so much for the feedback there Sha’ Tara. It’s truly encouraging now I’ve embarked on writing ‘Vol II’ ‘Skirmishers’. (This will explain my absence from time to time from WP over the next couple of weeks, while I get the foundations laid, the walls rebuilt and the floors secured)
        I have to be honest, kinda thought there was material there for a film or a tv series. I must be getting part of my inspiration from watching the better sorts of sf/fantasy.
        Mind you the main body of the work is definitely coming from another place in Creation. When characters like Karlyn, Arketre Beritt, Trelli or Mister Silc are on stage, the narrative writes itself!
        Thanks again for your comments, truly gold and much help.
        And above all, very glad you had chuckles, one of the book’s main missions.
        Thanks again
        Roger

      8. Sha'Tara Post author

        My pleasure, Roger! You did the work, I get to enjoy… doesn’t get better from my point of view. You certainly hit your stride with the three women: “Flaxi, Squirrel Head and Whychie”!!! The Silcs clan: priceless. There’s a literary word that perfectly describes your characters… if only I could remember. Something like, they are believable, reliably in character. That a character remains “in character” is important to me.

  4. Regis Auffray

    Great article as usual. I notice more and more people are using the term “Earthians.”

    Thank you for sharing.

    Be well,

    Régis

    On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:39 PM ~Burning Woman~ wrote:

    > Sha’Tara posted: ” [thoughts from ~burning woman~ by Sha’Tara > (Introduction) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Collective > unconscious (German: kollektives Unbewusstes), a term coined by Carl Jung, > refers to structures of the unconscious mind which are shared am” >

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  5. Phil Huston

    Please, dont you go all Jungian trendy, “man” sailing the uncharted waters of space and time and myth and symbols to find their way “home” again, to find their “place.” This has a been a trend in Euro Art and Letters from dance to young women with marketing degrees writing who is “man” against (pick your flavor of Matrix) and the awakening of the living dead (as you so elegantly put it) to greater realities. Personally I would start with Campbell instead of Jung as he builds a visible spider web of our communal psyche.
    That said I got off into reality by consent with someone one time and their patriarchal archetype patriarch threatened to drop us on the side of the interstate. I’m glad we didn’t get to what if everone in mass stood up and said Bullshit and walked out. Agreeing to agree and belong is, I think, like hot food and a warm place to poop. Only when it starts to come at a price to our “freedom” do we start questioning. If everyone on the world turned to their left and farted at the same time would the world spin faster on it’s axis? If we all dreamed or believed it wasn’t happening would it stop? No. Visceral is visceral and ether is ether. Not that one can’t influence the other. But one can’t become the other. Yet. that we know of.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Thanks Regis. My use of the term Earthian is a mind-expanding trick. Until now we’ve stayed stuck on our little world and made great fun of those who thought, or believed, that there was other intelligent life out there. As far as our physical/material sense go we haven’t encountered any other yet except for those UFO sightings which I do not believe “IN” for myself. We know however that the chances of us being the only ISSA (intelligent, sentient, self aware) lifeform in the universe are infinitesimal. It just can’t be and we’re simply missing a big chunk of the information here. So, if there be others, from a world called, let’s say, Altaria, and they are humanoid in appearance and very much like us, they will be Altarians. If they’re from the Pleiades, they’ll be Pleiadians, and if we are the aliens encountering them out there, we’ll be the Earthians. Nothing weird about that. But it does annoy the flat earthers who still believe that even if the earth is a pancake, it is hollow and the centre of the universe.

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    2. Sha'Tara Post author

      Yes, I realize I have to work with “this” reality. But I strongly suspect that the reality we are so sure of is quite malleable and fluid (etheric if you will). The powers that be, call it the Matrix, have to work very hard to make their endless Ponzi scheme reality “real” for the majority so they can keep their exploitative, hierarchical, patriarchal, “demonic” debt and death system going. We are told things are the way they are, and it is what it is. Yes, it is what it is, but why is it so? Hence we dream or we plot or we disbelieve or we invent something. If it challenges the existing spider web (think Tesla) it is crushed, economically or someone dies, or the ideas remain on a drawing board (think Da Vinci) or they are laughed out of the minds of those who may find them intriguing. But the Establishment cannot destroy the dream, and as my dream indicates, its puppets or symbolic power holders have to enter the dream without their power and ask for help like anyone else. They have to leave their lies behind and expose themselves to a reality where lies don’t work. The dream is an aspect of Life.

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  6. rawgod

    As you know, S’T, what you are saying is what I have been saying for years, in different words, with different emphases, but at root the same. I have just said again today in the comments on Jim’s blog that it is time to change what we are doing and how we are doing it.
    But few people are ready to listen, and IMO, they have to be ready, or there will not be enough will to do anything. You cannot force anyone to see blue when they believe they are seeing green.
    So the question becomes, how do you get people to stop believing in green (perhaps a bad analogy, as green is mostly good these days) and get them to see blue? Force cannot be used, nor can silver tongues. The truth is blue is blue, no matter what you are seeing.
    What you are talking about as collective consciousness (notwithstanding Hugh’s concerns) is what I call “spirituality,” the connection between all living beings and all other living beings. Those connections are real, but not everyone experiences them as such.
    Again IMO, we need to be able to see beyond what our egos want to allow us to see. Those egos think they will cease to exist if we are allowed to see our spiritual selves. But from my expeience, where my ego and spirit both exist, they walk together, and there is no violence between them. It is one of the pursuits in my life to show others that peace between ego and spirit are not only possible, but necessary to each other, as long as we remain alive on this earth.
    To this point in my life I do not know that I am getting anywhere with this style of life, if you will allow these words. But I shall never stop trying…

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Quote: “It is one of the pursuits in my life to show others that peace between ego and spirit are not only possible, but necessary to each other, as long as we remain alive on this earth.” That is so well said, and I believe you. Thanks for expressing such deep and personal thoughts here. I think that I have finally realized this too. There seem to be a few people here who are “sharing in the collective dream” while walking their own, personal path and this is real, not some programmed response in a gathering directed by some guru. We could all “unfollow” this blog tonight and each one of us would carry on as if nothing happened and just as sure of her/himself. This unique form of self awareness and empowerment is the dream I have been having and nurturing for many years.

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      1. rawgod

        Keep on trucking, S’T, that is about all we can do. Live the best way we know how, each in our own little areas, and hope the areas grow till all are one.

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