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Oh, and here we go again… Yes, it seems I never get tired of contemplating and pondering the level of criminal shamelessness that accompanies American intervention throughout the world, and its bald-faced lies to shrug off any embarrassing questions.

All an open-minded observer is left with is abysmal contempt for “Amerikkka” and the sincere desire that that pile of putrefaction will collapse upon itself soon… very soon. The following is what I have been trying to express in my own posts recently but Fisk is a professional writer and journalist, hence does a much better job, written and researched, than I could ever do.

My intent in posting such articles isn’t to instill guilt in Americans, Lord knows they already have way more than anyone can bear of that, but to provide much needed information and backgrounders.  With such information one can no longer ignorantly play the official social media game called “Let’s Blame Russia.”

Spare Me the American Tears for the Murder of Jamal Khashoggi

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Can I be the only one – apart from his own sycophants – to find the sight of America’s finest Republicans and Democrats condemning the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia for murdering Jamal Khashoggi a bit sickening? “Crazy”. “Dangerous”. A “wrecking ball”. A “smoking saw”. These guys are angry. CIA director Gina Haspel, who was happy to sign off on the torture of her Muslim captives in a secret American prison in Thailand, obviously knew what she was talking about when she testified about Mohammed bin Salman and the agony of Jamal Khashoggi.

US government leaks suggest that Haspel knew all about the shrieks of pain, the suffering of Arab men who believed they were drowning, the desperate pleading for life from America’s victims in these sanctuaries of torment in and after 2002. After all, the desperate screams of a man who believes he is drowning and the desperate screams of a man who believes he is suffocating can’t be very different. Except, of course, that the CIA’s victims lived to be tortured another day – indeed several more days – while Jamal Khashoggi’s asphyxiation was intended to end his life. Which it did.

A generation ago, the CIA’s “Operation Phoenix” torture and assassination programme in Vietnam went way beyond the imaginations of the Saudi intelligence service. In spook language, Khashoggi was merely “terminated with maximum prejudice”. If the CIA could sign off on mass murder in Vietnam, why shouldn’t an Arab dictator do the same on a far smaller scale? True, I can’t imagine the Americans went in for bone saws. Testimony suggests that mass rape followed by mass torture did for their enemies in Vietnam. Why play music through the earphones of the murderers?

But still it goes on. Here’s Democrat senator Bob Menendez this week. The US, he told us, must “send a clear and unequivocal message that such actions are not acceptable on the world’s stage”. The “action”, of course, is the murder of Khashoggi. And this from a man who constantly defended Israel after its slaughter of the innocents in Gaza.

So what on earth is going on here? Perhaps the “world’s stage” of which Menendez spoke was the White House – an appropriate phrase, when you come to think about it – where the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia has been no stranger. Yet when at least one recent US presidential incumbent of that high office can be considered guilty of war crimes – in Iraq – and the deaths of tens of thousands of Arabs, how come American senators are huffing and puffing about just one man, Mohammed bin Salman, who (for a moment, let us set aside the Yemen war) is only being accused of ordering the murder and dismemberment of one single Arab?

After all, world leaders – and US presidents themselves – have always had rather a soft spot for mass murderers and those who should face war crimes indictments. Trump has infamously met Kim Jong-un and invited him to the White House. We are all waiting for Rodrigo Duterte to take up his own invitation.

Obama lavished hospitality at the White House on a host of bloody autocrats – from Gambia, Burkina Faso and Cameroon – before we even recall Suharto, whose death squads killed up to half a million people; and Hosni Mubarak, whose secret police sometimes raped their prisoners and who sanctioned the hanging of hundreds of Islamists without proper trials, and his ultimate successor, Field Marshal-President al-Sisi, who has around 60,000 political prisoners locked up in Egypt and whose cops appear to have tortured a young Italian student to death. But Giulio Regeni wasn’t murdered in an Egyptian consulate. This list does not even include Ariel Sharon, who as Israeli defence minister was accused by an Israeli inquiry of personal responsibility for the massacre of 1,700 Palestinian civilians at the Sabra and Chatila camps in Beirut in 1982.

So what is this “clear and unequivocal message” that senator Menendez is rambling on about? The message has been clear and unequivocal for decades. The US “national interest” always trumps (in both senses) morality or international crime. Why else did the United States support Saddam Hussein in his attempt to destroy Iran and his use of chemical warfare against Iran? Why else did Donald Rumsfeld plead with Saddam in December 1993 to allow the reopening of the US embassy in Baghdad when the Iraqi dictator (a “strongman” at the time, of course) had already used mustard gas against his opponents? By the time Rumsfeld arrived for his meeting, more than 3,000 victims had fallen amid Iraqi gas clouds. The figure would reach at least 50,000 dead. Which is, in mathematical terms, Jamal Khashoggi times 50,000.

Yet we are supposed to recoil with shock and horror when Haspel – who might herself have a few admissions to make to senators on other matters – suggests that America’s latest favourite Middle Eastern tyrant knew about the forthcoming murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Does Menendez think that Saddam hadn’t signed the death sentences of thousands of Iraqi men and women – which, as we know from his later “trial”, he did – before meeting Rumsfeld? Or that Duterte, who has compared himself to Hitler, doesn’t sign off on the killing of his murdered drug “suspects”? Or that Suharto had absolutely nothing to do with half a million murders in Indonesia?

It’s instructive, indeed, that the thousands of innocents killed in the Yemen war, an offensive undertaken by Mohammed bin Salman himself with logistical support from the US and UK – and it doesn’t need Haspel to tell us this – hasn’t exactly left US senators shocked. Just another bunch of Arabs killing each other, I suppose. Starvation didn’t get mentioned by the senators emerging from Haspel’s closed hearing. Yet the senators know all about the mosque bombings, wedding party bombings, hospital bombings and school bombings in Yemen. Why no tears for these innocents? Or is that a bit difficult when the US military – on every occasion by accident, of course – has bombed mosques, wedding parties, hospitals and schools in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

No, the shock and horror and the need for full disclosure about the Saudis is primarily about Trump, and the need to tie him in to the cruel murder of a Washington Post journalist and US resident whose gruesome demise has been blamed by the American president upon a “vicious world”.

But there is something more than this, the appalling fact – albeit only a folk memory, perhaps, for many with scarcely any institutional memory at all – that 15 of those 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, that Osama bin Laden was a Saudi, that George W Bush secretly flew bin Laden family members out of the US after 9/11, that the Saudis themselves are heir to a blighted, rural, cruel version of Sunni Islam – based on the pernicious teachings of the 18th century Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab​ – which has inspired the Taliban, al-Qaeda, Isis and all the other killer cults whom we have proclaimed to be the West’s Enemy No 1.

Nailing Mohammed Bin Salman to a crucifix – a method of execution favoured by the Wahhabis – is an easy kill for US senators, of course. You hit the president and smash those unhappy historical details all in one fell swoop.

But don’t bank on it. Oil and arms are a potent mix. Old Abd al-Wahhab’s home is protected in a new tourist haunt in the suburbs of Riyadh. Come to think of it, the national mosque of Qatar – hostile to rapacious Saudi Arabia but another recipient of US weapons and a supporter of Islamist forces in Syria and Iraq – has a capacity for 30,000 souls, was built only seven years ago and is named after Abd al-Wahhab himself.

This is the dangerous world in which America and its allies now tread, disdainful of the thousands of Muslims who perish under our bombs and missiles and mortars – proxy-delivered by those we should distrust – ignorant of the religious currents which rumble on beneath our feet and beneath the House of Saud. Even the virtually useless information Haspel learned in the CIA’s “black centres” could have told senators this. If they had bothered to ask.

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Robert Fisk writes for the Independent, where this column originally appeared. 

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  1. Phil Huston

    As if American was alone in the “look over here, y’all” misdirects. Anybody been to Mexico lately? Why doesn’t that corrupt murderous shit make the news? The guys with guns own the media, maybe, like any place else with a cash crop (oil) economy? Like America invented the sanctioning of shutting up whistle blowers? Without getting too deep history wise, or too Anglo, who can say Rasputin? Nuns in Central America? Oh gosh…mean old America needs oil more than a reporter who should have known better.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Of course, I know what you are saying, but the problem is one of hypocrisy and perspective, Phil. Maybe you did not notice but since I’ve been reading about current events, (the 50’s) the standard line was always that America was the great defender of the oppressed and anytime America stepped up to bat militarily, it was to stop dictatorships and free the oppressed by bringing in democracy. I bet that still some 50% of Americans believe this rot and couldn’t sleep without being assured that it is indeed so. Easy to look over the fence at how bad the other guys are, but what about America’s shit, and those 800+ military bases all over the planet; those village-sized aircraft carriers threatening other nations, accompanied by deadly battleships and we don’t even talk about nuclear powered and armed subs and the surveillance satellites. Yes, America is way worse than any of the others by the sheer volume of its oppressive apparatus and the inordinate amount of money (50% of total government income) poured into its aggressive military and arms supplying – most of that to abhorrent military dictatorships known for their war crimes, their tortures, their overt oppression of any dissident – House of Saud and Israel for starters. Meanwhile the ‘real’ America’s health is plummeting into 3rd world status; proper education is being systematically pulled from the poor and the infrastructure is collapsing but the SS (Security State) is doing quite well. Something is rotten, and it isn’t in Denmark.

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      1. Phil Huston

        Excuse me, but exactly what is China doing with all the money they aren’t paying their people that the rest of the world is shoveling on their doorstep for everything from razor blades to televisions and the computer you use to propagate and repopulate the Internet with geopolitical racism? Please. Why is the majority of Russia stuck in the 19th century with tractors rusting away in fields while CMI made millions selling them machinery to build runways? Why are women second class citizens in most of the world, ignored under the guise of some acquiescence to religious bullshit because a handful of misogynistic Arab playboys sit on thrones of dead dinosaurs. All that propaganda, oppression, money laundering, under the table arms deals. The alternative to imperialistic democracy turned out swell for Cuba, huh? How about those two world conquering for queen and emperor islands? No press machines at work there. I’m fucking sick of America carrying half the planet economically and getting bashed. My next door neighbor is from “Egypt” and bitches constantly about everything. Go home I say. I can’t. Well, shut the fuck up and contribute and stop bitching. We rewrite history to make everyone happy, take it up the dark way in trade deficits, have the Chinese print French manuals so shit made in half a dozen “underprivileged” countries can get shipped through American ports, on American infrastructure to Canada. So Canadians can get paid for oil pumped through American pipelines and processed in American refineries so Canadians can go to work and bitch about America being imperialist assholes. Take that shit to half the planet that flew a British flag. Ask India how well they’d be doing without being knee deep in American jobs and their own education systems and Chinese scooters. Please. I’m about to start posting Stanley cup conspiracy theories and how come the Guess Who was the Canadian music industry or why Shania Twain needed an Englishman in Nashville to make her a millionaire so she could build a venue in her hometown. You end up with Ecuadorian drug cartels or North Korean or Iraqi warlord invaders on your doorstep call somebody with an aircraft carrier who gives a shit.

      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        Thanks for that rant, Phil. Unfortunately it doesn’t demonstrate a lot of savvy regarding the real world situation, and your “nameless” country’s involvement in it. These Iraqi warlords invaders, uh, are they going to swim their camels across the Atlantic, or the Pacific? Or do they have warships, carriers, jets, and a comparable world’s #1 military force to create a very real threat to mainland America? By the way, let’s keep in mind that the millions who died in the Iraqi Bush wars were not Americans but Iraqis, in their own country, and they died the moment their US installed dictator puppet, Saddam Hussein, decided he wouldn’t play ball with Uncle Sam any longer. “We came, we saw, he died, said Clinton of Qaddafi of Lybia after the US-led regime change military operation murdered him and proceeded to literally destroy that country, as they are doing now in Syria.
        I’m not saying other world powers are angelic, that sort of tit-for-tat is what Americans are famous for engaging in, not me. All I’m saying is, wake up people and smell the blood that’s seeping under your door sweeps. Realize also that throughout history such actions as your system is engaging in do come home to roost. When it happens, and it’s already happening, you’ll have no one but yourselves to blame. You could have engaged the world quite differently than by spreading terror and bloodshed because when all else fails, there’s still money to be made in wars.
        Rant away Phil. For many believers in America’s Imperial manifest destiny, that is all they have left.

      3. rawgod

        The only reason you believe any of what you spout, Phil, is because you accept all the lies you hear as truth, even when you know they are lies. America does nothing for democracy, it does everything for money, and more money. But not for the American people, for the American elite. They care about no one but themselves, and their bank accounts. Winning means having the most money, and it does not matter how they make it. You can bet 90% is not made legally, but once you got it, it will always be yours. Yup, Phil, you go on believing the lies. One day they will eat you up and spit you out. Remember me that day, Phil. Remember me…

      4. Phil Huston

        I said nothing about believing the marketing hype. Read what I wrote and absorb before you react. Yes capitalistic imperialism is about money. But let’s take the focus off America for a moment and look at all the socialist and religious and military run regimes who are about exactly the same thing. Where does all the money in Russia, China, Panama, on and on go? Betterment of the people? Please. Complain all you want but without America Europe and England would have been German subdivisions by 1920. Nobody forces crackpot whackjob despots to commit genocide, or Serbians to rape children, or two factions of the same religion to kill each other with Russian and Chinese weaponry creating refugees out of citizens. Pull your bigoted head out of your ass and open your eyes god, look around. Finger pointing at America is a knee jerk reaction to multifaceted, multi player historic events. I discover most of this bashing comes from people in a comfort zone. America didn’t kill a reporter, or nuns, or rape children. And as far as I’m concerned that’s on the people who did, and it’s their business and not America’s responsibility. You can’t have it both ways, America steps up or turns a blind eye. Where the hell is Argentina complaining about all this? Oh, that’s right, putting global McDonald’s money in their pocket for paisano raised beef. Get a clue. Who you gonna blame when America locks the door, or you live somewhere complaining isn’t allowed, which isn’t America’s, or my, fault.

      5. rawgod

        You think it was the Americans, all by themselves, who saved Europe from German agression, whether it was WWI or WWII? Man, your nationalism blinds you to the truth. Winning world wars took people from all nations, including Canada, England, Australia, India, Africa, and elsewhere, and, yes, some from the United States of Ametica, and yes, including Russia. But you did it as part of a whole, not all on your own. Look at what happened in Vietnam, when your troops were left mostly on their own to try to win a war they should not have been involved in in the first place. They got their little bums spanked! And they were killed in great numbers, for which I am sad, but not repentant. Both sides suffered major casualties. That was America fighting without their allies.
        And between those wars, and after those wars, you don’t think your CIA agents weren’t running around sticking their noses into other nations business, including assassinating people who wouldn’t work with them in favour of those who would? It didn’t matter what kind of people these were you supported, mostly assholes, but so what?
        The difference between you and me, Paul, is my head is not up my ass, while yours is. You refuse to look at things as they are, but at how they were spun. Americans ARE great at spinning bad news into good, but you have no concept of that. You believe what your leaders want you to believe. Fake news, my friend, fake news! And you suck it up, hook, line, and sinker. Very patriotic of you…

      6. rawgod

        Oh, the sooner Amrrica locks its doors, the happirr I will be. Trump makes your own people sick. The sooner he is locked in a cage, the better for the rest of the world.

      7. Phil Huston

        Read my lips – no one person or country is responsible for reprehensible behavior. The entire globe runs on corrupt $. The rest of the world would be better off without ignorant reactionary dialogue and ludicrously postulated percentages based on media misdirects and scapegoating. Trump makes gas a buck 89 instead of $4 telling Canada, Australia and Mexico to shove it or level the trade playing field. Sick is crazy people klling their own kind over “religous” differences and creating an epic global refugee problem which has nothing to do with America, Americans or a guy with bad hair and a big mouth. Find another target for your ignorance and lack of scope. Shine a light, make a difference instead of blaming what the media has told you is the devil. Remember, arguing on the internet makes everybody a retard. I made my case. $ makes the WHOLE world go round, not just the perceived current popular scapegoat assWHOLE.
        Historical fact – the guy on the $100 bill, a politician, went to France for help during the Revolutionary War and in the his spare time he attempted to shag his way through the Parisian female social register as politicians the world over and throughout time are known to do. They helped him get the help he was seeking. Without all that America would be a colony of the British racist imperialist empire and we’d all be driving on the wrong side of the road extricationg ourselves from our “duty” to absorb the fallout of those less sympathetic to diverse ways. Brexit comes to mind. Is that better than Trump’s wall, philosophically, because they’re an island? France keeping jobs for the French, Germany shuttiing down it’s borders, that’s all less egregious than the nasty Americans? Please. point all five fingers of both hands in as many directions as possible, and there’s the issue.

      8. rawgod

        I didn’t say all those things, you did. The world is in sad sad shape. And Americans like you have been bragging for years that you are responsible for the good things. If you responsible for the good, you are also responsible for the bad. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot pick and choose what you want to be responsible for. All or nothing. You choose.

      9. Sha'Tara Post author

        I’m truly sorry but your ignorance of history and geopolitics is beyond abysmal, Phil. All that you spout about has been solidly DISPROVED by real history, not fake Fox news. All you’re throwing at me here is bullshit American progaganda designed to keep mental midgets believing in Uncle Sam and the American flag, the next bowl game and where do we invade next?
        Come on, Phil. That shit about (quote: “without America Europe and England would have been German subdivisions by 1920.’ is beyond pathetic. In both world wars, the US dragged their asses until they could look like the savior, and in both cases the Allies were already on the winning side before US troops showed up. As to arms, there were guarantees of repayment make no mistake. WWII is particularly of note since the Germans already knew that once Hitler engaged Operation Barbarossa, it was game over for Germany. Don’t think the US high command didn’t know already that there was no chance of losing that one: it was already won. They went in, essentially to establish a capitalist line against Soviet Russia and start a very lucrative cold war and arms sales galore through NATO. Geopolitics is what that’s called.
        Bottom line though, Phil, it is all about the millions of innocents that have died and are dying in your Uncle Sam Corporate wars. Get that through your insensitive heart: it’s about mass murder for profit, and it doesn’t matter WHO ELSE is doing it, I’m tired of the lies pouring out of your “country” (is it a country? It’s got no name, by the way) or Empire, or Hegemon. When America became the sole world military power following the collapse of the Soviet Union, why didn’t your wars end then? Why did you continue in Afghanistan, then push into the Middle East, destroying country after country?
        Where’s you f*****g empathy for the millions (conservative estimate is 10 millions killed by various kinds of American military interventions since WWII) killed by YOUR COUNTRY AND IN YOUR NAME? Yes, in your name because you still claim to be a popular democracy, therefore, friend, government of the people, by the people for the people. Got to go, just got an emergency call. Talk later.

      10. Phil Huston

        Geopolitical racist bashing is what’s it called. And I’m sorry, I don’t do information by wiki, or fox, or bullshit conspiracy theories. I tell you what. If your beliefs are so strong move to any of those places, open a pity parlor. Boycott gasoline and fight a war with your inflammatory rhetoric cloaked in compassion. Everybody can bitch and point fingers. Next time somebody tells me all they have to do to be a millionaire is crack the American market I’ll send them to you for a good shaming first. An$ tell your mp to let us make our own steel and aluminum while you’re at it because our money’s no good. All this trash talk from people living off America makes me wanna puke. While you’re at it, ask the French how well they were doing in 44. Or the brits in North Africa. Add up all the manufacturing we gave away to stop the German atrocities. Money and lives thrown away on whiners it seems. Afghanistan? Please. We walk somebody else walks in. Hell the Russians were fighting against their own weapons last time. It’s a global problem. Point your middle finger at the one percent worldwide. Right now gas is a buck 89 because we’re drilling again, not kissing Saudi ass for artificially inflated $4. I call that something tangible, today. The dead are dead and history repeats itself among the nomads since way before anybody was here but a handful of immigrants from the Aleutians. All the America badgers can fuck Off and boycott. See what peace of mind you can buy when your economy grinds to a halt.

      11. Sha'Tara Post author

        Off to the Awards ceremony at the White House now Phil? OK you win. I’m done. We can spin this bicycle wheel another 24 hours or more but it ain’t gettin’ fixed nohow: she ain’t never gonna support another 350 lbs Big Mac eatin’ rider… Still friends? 🙂

      12. Phil Huston

        Yes, but your argument reads like all the history changers. I never owned slaves or sponsored their ownership, therefore I assume no guilt for the occurence. My father came home from WWII with a platinum plate in his skull after 25 missions over germany because it was such a cakewalk. I never killed anyone in honduras, nor do I assume any ownership of that action, either, anymore than I killed millions of Jews in death camps. My point is and was that $ makes the world go around, and let those countries who have not profited directly or peripherally cast the first stone in a glass house. This is no utopia and hate and blame rhetoric is not the answer. Lets all clean up the shit in our own back yards, as it exists today and, like always, let the eventual winners rewrite history to suit themselves. Peace begins with a smile, not blame.

  2. franklparker

    I’ve been a fan of Fisk for a long time although t’s a while since I read anything of his – since I stopped reading The Independent (English) newspaper. I haven’t read this one yet, ether – I was enjoying your little spat with Phil, there! May be back when I’ve read Fisk’s piece. He is the acknowledged expert on Arabia and the Middle East.

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  3. franklparker

    Yes! He tells it how it is, pulls no punches, despairs at the hypocrisy that masquerades as “diplomacy”, There are no “good guys” in Fisk’s world — and that’s about the way it is in geopolitics and not to say there aren’t people working in small ways to change things. I recently had the pleasure of listening to Brian Keenan, a man who, like Fisk, has spent time in Lebanon, some of it in captivity. He is very forgiving of the young men whose brains have been washed by the worst aspects of Western Culture and the twisted ideology of Wahhabism.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      I’m so glad you “resonated” with that article, Frank. And thanks for reminding me of that word, “geopolitics” that I had toyed with many decades ago but had quite forgotten. It’s a good word, that.

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    2. Sha'Tara Post author

      Thanks for that also. You know, when I compare Wahhabism and Western fundamental Christianity, I see so very little difference. If it wasn’t for the laws still somewhat enforced in the US, Canada, Britain and the rest of Western Europe, we would see the same Saudi violence and denial of basic human rights all over our own countries, and many would approve. I don’t like the way our world is trending.

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  4. selizabryangmailcom

    I think I see where Phil is coming from, in a general sense, that America isn’t the only “villain” and there are “worse places”….although it feels to me like if Trump and his minions actually gained more power and kept going, we would also be headed, even more inexorably, since it already feels like we’re headed there, toward becoming one of those “worse places.”

    But I think R.G. says it pretty clearly: “Americans like you have been bragging for years that you are responsible for the good things. If you responsible for the good, you are also responsible for the bad. You cannot have it both ways.”

    That, to me, rings completely true and says it all. We can’t have it both ways, and it most definitely is not both ways. And I think Phil recognizes that. He’s not saying the US is innocent of any crimes or without blame.

    But some of the examples from above don’t sit well with me: “Sick is crazy people klling their own kind over “religous” differences and creating an epic global refugee problem which has nothing to do with America…” or “Without all that America would be a colony of the British racist imperialist empire.”

    Sick is definitely people killing their own kind of religious differences–and that’s been the way of the world since ancient times, unfortunately. But then again, sick is also killing your own kind because your skin is a different color from another person, which, of course, is a long-lived U.S. tradition and almost way of life.

    And we MAY have been a colony of British racist imperialism, but we’re not. We’re a colony of our own racist imperialism. So, really, who cares? Apples, oranges. Same thing, different day.

    At least Phil is open-minded enough to have other relevant examples and arguments, regardless of temperament and/or some strained logic. What I fear are the ones with blind allegiance without education, facts, understanding, the drive to learn more, and definitely lacking in a desire to possibly even change/enlarge their point of view.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      You’re right here, of course. I wasn’t going for the implication that ‘only America’ kills in the world, but for two salient points: 1- the most important to me: where is the American empathy for America’s victims; for the statistically arrived at 10 million people whose deaths America is directly responsible for (Vietnam alone accounts for 1.5 to over 2 Mil. deaths). 2 – a question of perspective. All but America and its Allies have perpetrated their war crimes on their own soil (except for a brief and disastrous imperial foray into Afghanistan by Soviet Russia). America has performed its illegal (no war was ever declared) killings on foreign soils and for the benefit of US and European based corporations. We need to look at the whole picture when doing a comparison. So… empathy and perspective. Nothing to do with nationalism on my part, I couldn’t care less as I have no country even if two claim my allegiance: they never had it and never will have it.
      Perspective: One thing I’d like to see: one American able to morally, politically and logically defend the 1983 US military invasion of the sovereign island of Grenada – an isolated nation all of 25 miles long by 12 wide, 130 sq. miles (twice the area of Washington, D.C, 75 mi. of coastline, about 90,000 population at the time of the invasion. A serious threat to the hegemony of the USA? Just thinking out loud while shaking my head… still. A friend and family was working on Grenada at the time. He was arrested and they almost lost their lives. Is this how a great democratic nation behaves? Oh yes, the propaganda will tell you that it was to “save the people from communism” because that is the only line needed to convince “most” Americans.

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  5. selizabryangmailcom

    No, no, I know you weren’t implying only America kills. And I’m not sure what anyone *sane* could say to rationalize Vietnam or Grenada. There’s nothing. It’s pretty clear what happened. Patriot is a strong word. I feel loyalty toward this country for different reasons, and because there is good along with the bad. And I can’t deny a lot of the good has come my way, so it would be hypocritical of me to start USA bashing. But I’m also not blind to the other side, the dark side, as some others might be. If I were in politics, I’d like to think I’d be one of those who felt there was enough good in this country to fight for it, get it back on track. One might wonder, “back on what track, fight for what?” Because, really, the horrors that have been perpetrated in the name of democracy….I don’t know. Maybe something somewhere in the middle? Stop reaching for lofty ideals that no one can possibly believe in anymore and be more realistic, like fight the divisions, battle white supremacy, get people used to the idea that capitalism isn’t the be all and end all and corporations must be cut down to size and possibly, in the future, neutered? I guess I’d start there.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Well commented. First, you can’t get back on track something that never was, but it wouldn’t be difficult to create a new track. Some obvious: focus on the mainland and its needs. Crush racism by promoting internal peace and harmony. Train the police better. Drastically reduce gov’t income to the military and arms makers and re-build the infrastructure while investing heavily in solar power and whatever other means of creating clean energy may be found in those mad scientist basement labs. Encourage real, down home free enterprise. Create a universal health care system. Make homelessness a priority issue and convert empty buildings into suitable, decent housing, even if temporary until people get back on their feet, then provide govern’t interest-free loans to those willing and able to buy their own accommodations. Oh, and no more guns. Properly interpreted that second amendment could be satisfied by having a local armory and appointed individuals to hand out weaponry in times of need. So, no more guns in private hands needed, “hand them back in, thank you very much for your cooperation…” Need I go on with the all too obvious that is needed? All of this would lead to saving money and reducing taxes. Sometimes solutions are so obvious and simple we just can’t believe them.

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