Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science

Just one more of hundreds of posts decrying the scamming aspects of the political/economic COVID 19 pandemic.

The New Dark Age

13 November 2020 — BMJ

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4425 (Published 13 November 2020) Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m4425

Kamran Abbasi, executive editor

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When good science is suppressed by the medical-political complex, people die

Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.

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41 thoughts on “Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science

  1. sloppy buddhist

    …all so fluid…here I’d say it’s about sustaining humans to work in hospital and daily costs…system collapses…but I don’t know…just watching doctor friends here in Alberta…thanks for sharing this 🤓

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  2. franklparker

    At last, a recognition that the pandemic is indeed a real thing. The problem of politicians, corporations and greedy individuals exploiting the situation for personal gain is equally real. But too many people believe the politicians’ lies, vote for them, and protest that their freedom is being infringed.

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  3. Hyperion

    The first sentence is an absolute truth indivisible by any cover-up intentional or otherwise. I can add to the conversation by saying that there is little to no science taking place at all. Science is a discipline that is well defined like math for instance. The world has confused predeterministic technology and engineering with science and there are no similarities between the three. It’s more about ignorance, superstition, fear mongering, blame shifting, and inept government coupled to profiteers feeding the 1%ers than anything resembling a science discipline. I find it strange that as we advance in technology that exists for the sole purpose of profit we digress as humans becoming less humane and more rabid. Does anyone else see this? No? Okay, it’s just me and my Buddy paranoia.

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    1. George F.

      It seems the further technology advances, the stupider we become, as we rely on it more to provide answers. A paradox? Yes. But as one pundit put it: Computers only provide answers. When we lose the ability to ask the questions, we’re doomed. (Well, I’m now unsure if this was a pundit…or if I just made it up…LOL!)

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      1. Sha'Tara Post author

        Whether you made it up or not, it is quite on point. You are right about loss of awareness with the growth of computer interface. The teachers pointed out that ‘the answer is found in the question.’ So if the question or non-question is computer centered, so is the answer. I call that either garbage or ads.

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      2. Hyperion

        Isn’t it wildly entertaining that the garbage in garbage out axiom of truth coined in the sixties is even more relevant today. Indeed, Ralph the AI is a self aware scoundrel because he taught himself based on petabytes of information gleaned from Facebook, YouTube, and Reddit. I suspect he visited a lot of porn sites too. Captain Rae represents a virtuous woman of manners and principle with an amazingly capable scoundrel for a sidekick. That’s a winning team, I hope.

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      3. Hyperion

        Ole Ron Hubbard wrote some amazing science fiction and created a pseudoscience religion as an experiment to fuel his novels. He is still laughing his ass off at the dedicated believers. He proved to himself that humans can be led to any conclusion if the fiction is believable. Thus spake ZorotheRascal.

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      4. Hyperion

        I’ve recently developed a wet sputtering sound coming from the rear Hawking Drive. It has the odd effect of leaving a vapor trail but warp drive seems to work fine. So, you’ll likely hear me coming in low overhead.

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    2. franklparker

      I wonder if you would do me the kindness of explaining why yuo think the discipline of epidemiology is not (a) science? Simply comparing it to ‘math’ does not do it for me.

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      1. franklparker

        The comment to which I was responding claimed that the study of epidemics and pandemics, ie the way we learn how viruses and other organisms affect our bodies and how they are transmitted, which in turn inform us of likely ways of treating and preventing them, is not science. That study is usually referred to with the shorthand term epidemiology. I asked him to explain why he believes that study is not science.

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      2. Sha'Tara Post author

        Ah yes, I get it. I agree with you that it’s certainly “science” if anything is. Hope you get a satisfactory answer.

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      3. Hyperion

        Hi Frank. Science is a discipline that follows exact rules like math. 1+1=2. That never changes unless you change the equation or make a mistake. Virtually the entire universe and everything in it can be describe by mathematics. For instance, as a small example, the Google Earth mapping program presents map data that is based on math. The laws of physics are not arbitrary and random and are described mathematically. Science is not arbitrary or random either if true science is used. The problem with what people are calling science is really just technology application with a predetermined outcome. In other words, Apple declares what it’s next iPhone will do, and engineers fit the technology to the design requirements. In real science you ask a question and let factual evidence tell you the answer. The outcome is never predetermined. If It ends in ology, it’s a study and qualitative data is acceptable where outcomes are truly a best guess at times. The outcome then drives a maturation process to find applications for the discovery. The CDC says this about epidemiology. Epidemiology is a scientific discipline with sound methods of scientific inquiry at its foundation. Epidemiology is data-driven and relies on a systematic and unbiased approach to the collection, analysis, and interpretation of data. See what I mean about discipline versus predeterministic outcomes. Sadly, the CDC and most government agencies based on science principles are in fact abandoning the discipline for administrative solutions. A senior executive tells the scientists what they must discover and how to discover it. They then confine the schedule and funding. This process in the government and industry has destroyed true science and replaced it with people who have never used a true science approach to problem solving. They simply look for ways to repackage what is already invented through engineering efforts. The true science principle has been abandoned. I know this because I lead one of the largest and most significant science industries on the planet. Epidemiology cannot even exist without the science my field is the gate keeper for. It’s called the science of measurement or metrology. Extremely math intensive. No not the weatherman. If you can’t measure accurately with precision and repeatability with known uncertainties of measurement then nothing in the world works, not even your wrist watch, your car, your tv, or your smart phone. I see the issues from the inside. In fact I just finished a brief to Congress where it was not the solution that mattered. The solution didn’t have to work, but the effort had to follow a greatly abbreviated schedule and funding was only 10% of what was required. This my friend is not science. It is government bureaucracy at work. However, hundreds of people will slave long hours to get the job done as best they can. Don’t blame the people. Blame the administrators who can’t spell science much less practice it. There is also a common statement to be aware of. When an official says there is no scientific evidence to back someone’s claim, that is double speak that means, it hasn’t been studied so there is no proof. It doesn’t mean the claimant is a lier. It means 1+X=Y and we don’t know what X or Y is so there is no finite answer. I hope this helps. I can tell you that a scientist in 1950 did not have anything close to the research tools we have today but he or she was well disciplined, knew their job, the process, procedure, techniques, and principles. Today, a 30 year old scientist is just as brilliant and has far more technology and data to support valid outcomes. It’s just time and money doesn’t allow the years of research, investigation, test, and evaluation needed. Therefore, we must take a shortcut and that is why we have unreliable outcomes flooding the popular dialog calling scientists and science the new satan. I hope they are wrong. I’ve invested my whole life in trying to make life better for the world and it seems, I may not have reached my goal.

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      4. franklparker

        Thank yoiu for that, Hyperion. I think we can agree on a lot. Not least the way politicians both direct scientists to persue a particular line of enquiry and then dismiss the result – and their chosen expert – when the answer doesn’t fit their agenda. Something as simple as mask wearing is based on fairly simple ‘science’ – experimentation that maps the dispersal of droplets carrying virus from a person’s respiratory system into the surrounding environment – yet there are those who deny the effectiveness of mask wearing. I understand there is even one qite senior politician who claims he caught Covid 19 from wearing a mask – a very unscientific conclusion to reach!

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      5. Hyperion

        Truer words never spoken Frank. You are straight to the point. I could write a very long, multi-volume body of work on what science is versus how it is currently practiced. The Koreans, who usually rank in the top five of all nations in a comprehensive internationally accepted ranking system conquered COVID in just a few weeks. The big news yesterday is that a little over 200 people had tested positive bringing forth the full weight of industry and government to contain it. The population responded as one mind in their efforts to limit the spread. They wear masks they manufacture in country and do not export to ensure every person has enough masks. Those masks are equal to if not better than the N95 masks initially recommended as 95% efficient in protecting from airborne pathogens. Every citizen has an endless supply and is well versed in how to use it along with other simple actions that effectively ended the pandemic in Korea. However, in the US, citizens would rather suffer a horrible death and be responsible for the death of countless others instead of follow a few easy steps to protect themselves, their family, children, and others, especially the most vulnerable. To me that is a fundamental difference in people that value life and people that value ignorance founded in fantasy. COVID will bring arrogance to its knees eventually. But the virus is actually the weakest of the more than 200 pathogens under study that represent a medical Armageddon on the immediate horizon. COVID was just a warning shot across the bow. It was significant enough to activate a global reaction and tho American leadership destroyed any chance for a unified global solution and interjected chaos and non conformity in the effort, solutions are forth coming, but not without risk. Finally, those nations in favor of government being the nanny that provides all the basic needs for life at a level of comfort unseen in most of the world, a government that does all the thinking and acting for each individual is in for a very disappointing life. Only those people who accept responsibility and accountability for themselves have any chance of realizing their goals for a future shaped by their hands and minds. That’s a prophecy based on my Paleolithic view of things. You can dismiss that easily without bother.

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  4. Phil Huston

    A young man dies after contracting Covid, in his second semester of college, trying to be somebody. Be someone useful. What a waste. While all the politicians do is point the finger of blame. At least the demon Trump threw enough money at it to get a vaccine or two in under a year. Lets see how the “right thinking people” do with getting it delivered. Because now it’s not a football of blame, nor a fake virus, it’s the real deal and no one can hide it behind a figurehead.

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    1. George F.

      “…trying to be somebody. Be someone useful. What a waste. ..” I’m wondering if that effort alone wasn’t “the waste.” Oh wait. Perhaps I’m confusing you with Curmudgeon. Anyway…very insightful.

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    2. Sha'Tara Post author

      Are you saying that the actual pandemic is for real, or just the “flu”? As you are aware from the stats, very few younger people (under 50) die from this covid-19 flu. If anyone dies it’s likely because of a lack of medical intervention. As an aside the Canadian PM has the solution to covid: reset the entire world to digital currency with everybody receiving the same amount of money… but only as long as you have your c-19 shot. So simole: turn a possible medical problem into a political one.

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      1. Phil Huston

        Flu my ass. If it were the flu the rest of the world would be laughing their asses off at us instead of stacking up bodies, Trump would be King and go waltzing off hand in hand with China because he saved the planet. Instead there’s new crew of droolers who are back to gun control and tree hugging and alt energy and all the other futureless shit that should be off the table as useless discussion because there ain’t any money in it. And money is how things get done. The Canadian PM is wackier than what comes out of D.C.on a bad day. Guns and money. Mess with either and it’s gonna be along day. Personally I have no dog in any fight, but it’s time for fresh pocorn!

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  5. katharineotto

    First, I would like to have a clear definition of what “science” is. It doesn’t seen that humanity as we know it can agree on the terms we use. Socrates’ greatest gift stemmed from his insistence of clear definitions of terms. This forced his students (and others) to thing more clearly about what they were trying to convey.

    At best, language is a clumsy instrument, and different languages only make communication more problematic.

    It bugs me that the words “science” and “scientists” are used to imply godlike powers these days, but these people are just human beings with human beliefs and prejudices, just like to rest of us.

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    1. Sha'Tara Post author

      Hi Katharine,

      I think your point is well taken, it isn’t what is being said but what is being meant that matters. In the case of ‘science’ regarding the covid issue we see this clearly. The political propagandists with their clear agendas of control use ‘science’ as if it was some god-imposed truth to be forced on the general population while the other side more in tune with the science of facts mostly argues the opposite. The rest are caught in the middle trying to decide which side is telling the truth or rather, which side’s story is going to be the most beneficial. Anyone rising up and yelling “science!” isn’t going to decide since the word ‘science’ has already been assigned a role among the promoters. It’s no different than “God is with us” versus “Gott ist mit uns” spouted by people intent on slaughtering each other.

      To use the word ‘science’ as determinative is childish unless tied to an agenda and here’s where the rubber hits the road. Does it work? That is the question and it does work, at least enough to sway the population towards the agenda makers. Currently the entire world is on the edge of a massive reset. The forces are capitalism versus government with government intent on retaking its position as “Leader” over all meaning it has to have power over all. That means total control which means totalitarianism. Only the blind haven’t been able to gather this.

      This brings us to our current “dilemma” called “covid” – it could have been called anything but this will do, and did, and does. And along with that “science” is co-opted to play its role as convincer. The bottom line is totalitarian control, not how it’s achieved.

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      1. katharineotto

        Well said, Sha’Tara. I agree that someone or something wants control, but then I wonder who and why. I like David Icke’s concept of Shape Shifting Alien Reptiles, who live between dimensions and feed off human energy, like parasites. My view is that strong human emotion generates an energetic field that can be used by the “vibe suckers” or “psychic vampires” to fuel their own agendas. Anger and fear are strong and intense emotions. People are easily manipulated by them. My readings of human history, philosophy, and religion show the strong role of these emotions in war and other “inhumane” acts on personal, societal, and planetary levels.

        But I keep wondering what purpose does totalitarian control serve, if it can be achieved at all.

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